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    "id": 429871,
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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Kaluma",
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    "speaker": {
        "id": 1565,
        "legal_name": "George Peter Opondo Kaluma",
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    "content": "on an issue. Proceed on the basis of facts. When you proceed on facts and not rumours, hatred or mischief in doing our reports following investigations; why should one Committee come to a different finding on the same set of facts? The problem we have is that people import their party affiliation, ethnic thinking, professional issues and personal vendetta into the reports of Committees which, to me, is not a question as to whether or not the Committee should be doing their work, but upping up their game particularly in the area of oversight. We have genuine fears - and you saw what happened when we started on the Westgate thing. I remember the presentation and the able submissions that were made by hon. Ochieng one day. I think I supported him. We were saying that when a Committee is proceeding with investigations, as a chair of the Committee for instance, do not go out there and say this did not happen when you are still inquiring and investigating. When you do that, you are like covering. See the situation you now have. We now have the Report of the Joint Committees and it is confirming beyond all doubts that there is a problem. Property and goods left Westgate, contrary to what a Chair of one of the Committees was already saying unilaterally. I would say hon. Speaker---"
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