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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Keynan",
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        "legal_name": "Adan Wehliye Keynan",
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    "content": "Thank you, hon. Speaker. It is good that this issue is being raised because as the elected representatives of the people of Kenya, we are all here to serve them. Indeed why this House or any house that represents any civilized citizens has leadership is because, whenever there are issues, they actually ought to be addressed within the framework of the law. As you contemplate a ruling on this, I would want you to also consider the following because the confusion is at the definition of some of the operational terms. If you look at Standing Order No.216, we would want you to help us define it as follows:- (i) what is the real meaning of the functions “investigate, inquire into, and report on all matters relating to the mandate, management, activities, administration, operations and estimates of the assigned Ministries and departments.” We would want to know and get a definition of the departments and Ministries. (ii) Give us also the definition of what constitutes public investments vis-a- vis Standing Order No.206. Equally, as you also attempt to guide the House, the issue at hand was raised by my good friend, hon. Jamleck Kamau on Geothermal Development Company (GDC), and it came up as a result of our interaction with them in relation to their accounts that were brought by the Auditor-General in August 2013. The Auditor-General said the report was ready. How else could PIC or PAC have pursued that issue in order to certify that whatever was presented by the Auditor-General was indeed correct? (iii) You also need to define the very essence and revolution of Departmental Committees and Investigative Committees. I really want us to be blunt on this, because there is problem and I want Kenyans to hear. I am happy for those great Kenyans who participated in the setting up of these key committees, some of them are still alive. We have the priviledge of having had you as the Chair of PIC and therefore you are in a position to really consider and find out whether anything that was done by PIC or PAC or any other Departmental Committee has really extended the mandate of that particular Committee, because these are real issues that need to be cleared. In my mind as an individual and having familiarized myself with the Standing Orders and all other laws relating to this, there is a definition problem. The Departmental Committees assume that assigned Ministries and departments are parastatals. I want to differ that parastatals are entities formed by statutes that were passed by this House and therefore, they are not departments or Ministries. The only linkage is that they have parent Ministries and I will not be contradicted on this. Parastatals and State corporations are legal entities recognized by law that are formed as a result of laws; that is statutes, which have been passed by this House. Therefore, if we get the operational definition, we will have no problem. Take this for example, there is an issue regarding stealing in National Hospital Insurance Fund (NHIF). Even when you were the Chair, ten years ago, the issue of NHIF The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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