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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Kagwe",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Mutahi Kagwe",
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    "content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we appreciate the hard work that Sen. Moi is doing even though he is preaching to the converted. I said that we appreciate the maturity that Kenyans continue to show the world in some areas following the change in the Constitution in the year 2010. The healthy debate that is going on in this House, including the views from both the Opposition side and the Government side, are healthy to the extent that I have not heard a single word that was spoken in vain, as a matter of frustration or simple opposition. What I have heard are views being expressed by the Opposition side which are shared on this side too. We all want more money for our counties. There is no doubt about that. I want more money for Nyeri County. Indeed, we, as a Finance, Commerce and Budget Committee, when we asked people from the Treasury how many counties were complaining due to lack of funds, they told us that the one county that had visited them two to three times was Nyeri County. If you remember, Nyeri County started off on a deficit of Kshs2 billion last year. The deficit still hangs on us. Therefore, when we say that we are talking about the same thing, we are part of the same coin. It is only that there is a head and a tail. However, nonetheless, it is one coin. My hope and prayer is that whatever we decide in this House and whatever amendment we eventually agree on in this House, will be supported by the National Assembly so that we live in the spirit that hon. (Dr.) Khalwale has alluded to. Let us show maturity. Let there not be division where what we say here, once it goes to the Lower House, is rejected simply because there is an amendment that came from the Senate. All the Members of the National Assembly come from counties. From Nyeri County, there are six Members of the National Assembly. From the 11 counties where the level five hospitals are stationed is a whole lot of people from both the Opposition and the Government side. Our hope and prayer is that they will, indeed, support the amendment that the Senate Majority Leader will move so that we support the increase thereof. In Committee discussions, we did not put a specific figure for those hospitals. We said that the cost of running the hospitals may or may not be what was there last year. Indeed, the Treasury, in the discussions with the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget told us that the cost of running Level 5 Hospitals was much higher than what we allocated last year. Consequently, the reason it reads the way it is in the Order Paper is because the governors as well as the Transition Authority (TA) which is mandated with unbundling that function and telling us how much the hospitals will cost should go ahead and do that and give the figure to the Treasury. Therefore, we hope that the National Assembly will The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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