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    "id": 43826,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Mr. Orengo",
    "speaker_title": "The Minister for Lands",
    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Aggrey James Orengo",
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    "content": " Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am not in agreement that the Public Service Commission is necessarily a better organ than the Judicial Service Commission. It has not been appointed or vetted in accordance with this Constitution. We cannot run away from political responsibility. We are stakeholders in the process. At the end of the day, whatever we do, we must realize that in as much as we want to take the President and the Prime Minister away from this process, they are major stakeholders because if, really, we can talk about the persons who are given some form of mandate nationally, then it is the President and the Prime Minister. But I am not saying that the President and the Prime Minister must be there. I stand to be well guided, but to run away from responsibility and say that they cannot have a role to play and yet some judge who by being simply a member of the Judicial Service Commission would be entitled to have a role to play in this selection panel, I do not think we will be doing justice to this process. The most important consideration which I think really finds favour with me and I support what hon. Karua was saying is about ownership. Kenyans want a process in which they can say; this body that has been appointed was through a process that we had confidence in and at the end of the appointment, there is an element of ownership. Mark you, the proposal by hon. Abdikadir is fair in the sense that after all is done, then Parliament has a final say. They will look at every nomination and approve or not approve. If Parliament does not approve, then the President shall not appoint."
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