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    "content": "We need to take this matter very seriously. It is not always good when you hear somebody wanting to talk about the eradication of poverty and he is taken for granted. Can you imagine how many people are poor in this country, living below the poverty line and yet, you expect them to compete with hon. Musila and Sen. G.G. Kariuki for that matter? Can we say that we believe in God? Why do we deceive ourselves? I think time has come when this Senate needs to take the bull by the horns; let us know exactly what we can do and what we cannot do. If the officers who are withholding these certificates cannot even say why they are doing so, it is just a matter of issuing a circular from the Ministry of Education to release all these certificates. Even if they keep them for how many years, those guys will never be able to pay. Let us decide where we are, because this is a very serious matter. Madam Temporary Speaker, there is money in the counties to deal with disasters and those who are so much affected by poverty. But if you go round those counties, there is no time you will find somebody saying “we have been given this money by the county government to reduce our poverty.” At the same time, the Constituencies Development Fund (CDF) has money for poverty alleviation. Why can we not find a way of releasing these kinds of monies which have already been voted for bursaries? If the Government does not want to support the idea of releasing all the certificates, they still have the power to request those who keep the money – the CDF and also the county governments – to release this money if they actually just want to receive money. But if they issue instructions to this effect, the whole thing will come to an end. Therefore, Madam Temporary Speaker, we are talking of the Kenya National Examinations Council (KNEC); that they have issued a statement, they have done A, B, C or D; but is that our business? Our business is to actually find out what the problem is. Now, we are passing this as a resolution again; it is going to be another resolution which can also be passed next time."
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