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    "content": "each other in our country. No nation is going to develop when its people are dying. Indeed, even local and international investors cannot come to a nation that is at war with itself and also at war with international terrorism. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I believe what Sen. Ongoro said earlier regarding the 30 years that we have had – or more than 30 years – of people who have continuously attacked each other and we have not captured these people. I think that is a very important point to think about – and I thank Sen. Ongoro for bringing it up. It is true that we spend substantial amounts of money in our nation paying individuals who are supposed to secure us. As much as I support those who do so and those who are carrying out that responsibility, I think a time a has come when they must count themselves responsible and say “this is exactly what we have done; these are the people we have arrested; and these are the people who have been jailed as a result of insecurity.” I am calling on the Government to be as vicious and as ruthless as is necessary in dealing with this matter. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, every time we hear something like this has come up, a policeman goes on the attack and is killed in the process, we never hear anything about the human rights of the policeman; we only hear of the human rights of those who are killing. The most important human right is the right of those who are killed innocently. Those are the people we should be concerned about; those are the people we should be worried about. As far as those who are killers are concerned, we must seriously address them with the viciousness that they have addressed unto innocent Kenyans; we must address them and deal with them as ruthlessly as they have dealt with the rest of the Kenyans. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in terms of leadership, there indeed comes a time when we have to ask ourselves which leadership is for the nation and which leadership is against the nation. If one can stand here and defend individuals who are killing Kenyans and threatening to kill Kenyans, then that person is not for Kenyans; that person is against Kenyans. So, I agree that this is a time for the leadership to come together; this is the time to think about whether what we are saying brings us together or divides us. This is not a politically partisan issue; this is an issue that must bring all Kenyans of all walks of life together. But what we say and where we say it; and the manner in which we say it can affect our people. In fact, sometimes when leaders speak, I believe that they speak from a position of innocence. But there are those who will take advantage of statements that leaders have made and make it look as if they are the ones who are responding to those statements. So, we must move forward in a measured manner; realizing and appreciating that not everyone who is listening to us is going to carry it with the goodwill that we posit as far as our electors are concerned. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I agree with Sen. Wetangula that Governors and Senators should come together. Indeed, those are the forums where I believe dialogue can take place. Those are the people who were elected by the people. These are the forums where we can sit and discuss. These are forums in which we can ask questions, dialogue and interrogate each other. These are the forums in which we can call the National Intelligence Service, the police commissioners and so on. These are the situations in The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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