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"content": " Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to, first of all, thank the Committee for the work it has done under very special circumstances, where the matter had to be referred to the Constitution Implementation and Oversight Committee (CIOC) from the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. They undertook their work, did the report afresh and brought the amendments. The Minister has also brought his amendments. Several Members have also brought their amendments. One of the things that came up, and I believe that matter was even discussed extensively in the House Business Committee (HBC), was that a notice of all these amendments was to be given to Members so that they can prepare for debate and participation in the Committee Stage. They were actually published yesterday with the hope that the matter will be disposed of today. Now, the Minister raised the issue that, first of all, in looking at those amendments by the Committee, himself and several other Members, there will be some issues that are actually criss-crossing and they need to be harmonized. That way, we do not go into the Committee Stage and by just voting or not voting, we end up with a law that is at cross purposes. This is the most important law that we will be passing. So, we asked for time to look at that, discuss with the Attorney-General and come to respond. As a Member proposes an amendment, the Minister needs to be prepared for that. When you say: âDelete sub-section (h)â, what is the implication of sub-section (h) on a certain number with any other law? Granted that the Committee has done a meticulous job, the amendments by the Members have not been processed either through the Committee, Minister or Attorney-General. It is very important that we do not take the committee Stage as has happened here in the past. We have actually deleted amendments and end up getting the President to bring the matter back. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, so, like I said, there are amendments by the Committee, which has done a splendid job. There are amendments by the Minister. There are so many others by private Members and they have not been harmonized. If you look at them, you will be able to see that some are actually going opposite what the Committee is proposing and some are against. But that is only in one of the issues. The second issue - and I believe the Vice-President and Minister for Home Affairs explained it â is that the Minister for Justice, National Cohesion and Constitutional Affairs is a major stakeholder on the matter that was in the kamukunji in terms of clearing the names of the Chief Justice. He was tasked to go and be part of the team that was going to work out on the way forward, so that we can have the matters that Members wanted cleared as early as possible, so that we can clear those names. Now, he is not here and, much as I would be able to go through this, I would hate to stand here and pretend that I comprehend all the matters and respond on behalf of the Government on all the amendments in the Committee Stage. It is only fair that we give this extra time. We are talking of Tuesday. The matter has already been said that it will come on Tuesday. Much as I would like to take the proposal by hon. Baiya, unfortunately at the Committee Stage, you do not look at amendments by one person, clear them and then go to the next one. It is clause by clause. If the Ministerâs amendments on Clause 1 are not considered when you are considering Clause 1, you cannot come back later and consider them. So, you cannot do it on a proposer by proposer basis. It has to be done on a clause by clause basis. So, it is not practical to proceed without having everyone on board."
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