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    "content": "and get them land elsewhere. Why can we not tell them that if they are living with the forests, they should forget about farming or cutting trees? We should create an incentive from those trees to benefit our people. How can they benefit from trees and help this country earn foreign exchange that comes from tourism? They do not need to farm, but they can take care of our forests. We want our children to feel safe as we conserve the environment. They can graze in areas that are acceptable to be grazed and, at the same time, they live a decent life. These ways have been applied in places like Brazil, Argentina and other countries where there are indigenous forests. It is not possible to look for alternative land for everybody who was living somewhere closer to the forest. We can actually make legislations or legal framework at the local level that is responsive to indigenous ways of protecting the environment. Finally, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to say that devolution is working. I have just come from Machakos where the Governor of Machakos has built a tarmac road of 33 kilometres within three months using Kshs650 million. It was built within three months by 11 contractors; each contractor building three kilometres. It is possible that if we apply our procurement laws well, this country can achieve a lot. Can you imagine, therefore, that if this Governor was to build 150 kilometres in his county? Can you imagine if 47 counties were to do that? This country would have over 5,000 kilometres of tarmac road within five years. Devolution can work and it can be done. I second and support."
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