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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Kipyegon",
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        "legal_name": "Johana Ngeno Kipyegon",
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    "content": "it is recognized in this country or not. For example, if the university that gave you that degree is recognized in the country, that particular body is vested with the power to either attest to that certificate as valid or not. I am one of those people who studied abroad and when I came back and I got admitted to do Masters in the University of Nairobi, I had to go to the Commission for Higher Education. They looked at the university I studied in and gave me the letter that allowed me to be admitted at the University of Nairobi. If there is a back door to studies, then maybe it is not in this country. We are just trying to create some bodies whose purpose I do not even understand. If you want to join the medical profession, your certificate must be recognized. If you want to become a lawyer and you want to join the Kenya School of Law, you cannot join unless you have got a degree from a recognized university. You cannot tell us that you will be going through this body and then again you go through another vetting at the Kenya School of Law to be admitted. I think we are just trying to create bodies which will not help anybody and we have been complaining about it. I remember this week was a week of complaints, starting from His Excellency the President, who has actually looked at the country and is worried about the wage bill. All of us are worried about the wage Bill. If we are trying to reduce the wage bill in one hand and increasing in the other, we are not mindful of what we are agitating for. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, we need not create a parastatal or an authority that will be looking at these matters. We need to give breath to the already existing institutions, be they the Commission for Higher Education, the Commission for University Education or institutions that look at different professions. Those institutions are not independent; they are dependent on the parent institution. Therefore, creating this particular authority is duplicating roles. What the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology is doing is what this authority will do. I think we are just duplicating functions in this case. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, we believe and we know there are so many universities and colleges in this country and even outside this country that offer fake degrees. Even if we were to create this body, the major intention of this body is to prevent the use---"
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