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    "id": 462403,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ng’ongo",
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    "speaker": {
        "id": 110,
        "legal_name": "John Mbadi Ng'ong'o",
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    "content": "Hon. Speaker, Sir, I want to speak to the two issues that have been brought and that are linked to each other. First of all, the issue about proceedings of Select Committees is a very fundamental issue. We need to ask ourselves why it became necessary that such a provision was put in our Standing Orders. It was because if you sit in a Committee and you have the privilege of knowing the proceedings of a Committee, it would not be right to come out and start debating it or putting it to the public before the report is finally tabled in the House. So, as hon. Langat spoke to it - and I think these are some of the mistakes that are in these Standing Orders - it was supposed to stop the Members of the Committee from taking advantage of their sitting in Committees to debate a report of a Committee before that report is tabled in the House. National issues are so wide and at any given time, you realise that a matter will somehow be under some Committee of the House. If we make a blanket ruling that any matter that is seized of by any Committee cannot be referred to, that would be gagging all the Members of this House. When I saw the comments about the gracious lady, Mrs. Shollei, even though I do not agree with the Members who are championing the line of thinking that she is so innocent, I do not agree with them totally, but I did not see anything wrong with them supporting her unless they were referring specifically to the findings of the Select Committee. I do not agree with them. I wish they asked me. There is a lot to it. This matter should be investigated thoroughly. The Auditor-General is investigating it. The Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission are also investigating the matter. That lady may not be as innocent as she looks. However, that is a matter for another day."
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