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    "speaker_name": "Hon. (Ms.) Odhiambo-Mabona",
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        "legal_name": "Millie Grace Akoth Odhiambo Mabona",
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    "content": "Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity. When you directed me I sat very faithfully and quietly. The main issue that I wanted to raise had to do with something hon. Shebesh had raised. I had no way of knowing that it was linked to what hon. David Ochieng said. That is why I was insistent. Thank you nonetheless for giving me this opportunity. Now that the debate has been opened, I want to agree with hon. Gethinji to some extent that in terms of our oversight role it is concurrent especially if you situate it within the doctrine of separation of powers. When the other arms are doing their work, we can proceed with ours. There is nothing that can stop us from doing that. I want to speak to what hon. Rachel Shebesh highlighted. She talked about Standing Order No.86 which states that no member shall refer to the substance of the proceedings of a Select Committee. One thing that we forget when discussing this is the word “substance”. There is nothing that stops us from discussing so long as we do not go to the substance. If you can persuade the House that we are not going to the substance of the debate, it follows closely on the issue of sub judice. I think it borrows very largely from the doctrine of sub judice that if you do not go to the substance of what is being discussed then you can actually discuss. Hon. Speaker, while giving us direction on this matter I would like you to underline the words, “substance of the debate”. This is because we are not stopped from discussing. We just cannot go to the substance. I know it will be tricky, but, yes, you can speak without going to the substance. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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