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    "content": "is somebody who got the highest mark but did not get a first class because the university thought that he was not of good conduct and he was very unhappy about it. Let me say that when I met him practicing law, I was then representing university students who had been expelled from the University of Nairobi for some reasons that did not add up to me but the university lawyers at that time were of the view that the students should be expelled and their expulsion to be upheld. When Mr. Mutula was instructed by the University of Nairobi, he wrote to me a letter asking for an undertaking that the students would not come to Nairobi Campus, except to do their exams. If I only gave him that undertaking, he would allow them to come back to the university, be registered and do their degree. I gave that undertaking without getting any instructions from my clients because it was something out of the ordinary that you can be given a chance to go back to university to do your exams if you had been expelled. I knew that from my own experience because I had been expelled also and I had to go to Makerere University to finish my degree. When I meet him again, we were at KISS 100 in a programme called Cross-fire. For four years, every Sunday at 6.00 p.m., I missed one or two times because of a flight from Kisumu but Mr. Kilonzo never missed a single programme. I used to admire the way he would argue because he did so with a light touch. He used to tell me repeatedly that I was a politician and he was not. He considered himself a lawyer of the former President. I always told him that at one time, he would end up being a politician but he refused. I told him that the two people who had been at cross-fire before us, that is, Dr. Mukhisa Kituyi and Prof. Anyang’-Nyong’o had proceeded not only to be politicians but became Ministers. I told him that he will eventually end up being a Minister. So, it was very surprising and sweetly that both of us became Ministers and we were sitting next to each other in the Cabinet throughout. This was not by choice but that is how they organized it. He helped a great deal in our contributions in the august House. When the secretary knocked, I found him in that office with nothing on his desk, except a newsletter of property and he was flipping through it. I asked him:- “Senator, is this where you are hiding?” He told me:- “Kajwang, you cannot find me. I am relaxed and have no tension. I am enjoying myself. I have achieved all that a man should achieve. This is my foundation office. If you want some fish, you can get it from here.” I asked him:- “How do you fundraise?” He told me:- “I am a big fundraiser; come and learn some tricks from me.” He took me to the next wooden office and told me:- “This is now my political office.” After he showed me his political office, he then introduced me to---"
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