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    "content": "set up a branch at the county level which will have to report to him. Let us not create all these unnecessary issues. We should trust our Governors because, eventually, we will have to investigate them just like we do with the Ministry of Finance. As a Senate, we are not going to ask our Clerk to be an oversight person for the Treasury; that he should let us know what the Treasury is doing. It is not his job because we have a lot in our tray. I would not like us to create a new centre. We are devolving and we should not follow people wherever they are. It would be agreeable to get a report every six months, but we should not have people to oversight the county operations. There is the experience of the former Ministry of Local Government where we had the Provincial Finance Officer, a District Treasury, somebody else from the Treasury who had to comply with Section 165. A fellow would sit in Nairobi and have his coffee and if a petition or request is taken to him by the county council, it is him who decides to advise the Minister either to sign it or not. We encouraged corruption because even the chairmen of county councils were very keen to have certain projects accepted and if that did not happen, it created an avenue for corruption. We have to be careful not to create several centres of power and investigations because we will appear to be losing our standards. I believe the Senate needs to be beyond any petty discussions. I beg to support."
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