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    "id": 471172,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Gikaria",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "David Gikaria",
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    "content": "Of course, the introduction of the Scrap Metal Council is important. Its composition, especially, the Inspector-General of Police, who will be having a representative, is well thought-out. The biggest problem that we have in this industry is policing. It is not that the police are never notified but, again, that becomes a corruption den. So, inclusion of the Inspector-General or his representative in the membership of the proposed Council is welcome. However, they must be told that when it comes to enforcement, because that is where we go wrong. We could be having a very good law with very huge penalties but, again, we just end up opening some avenues for police officers to enrich themselves. Of course, where one is liable to pay a fine of Kshs20 million, the police would gladly take Kshs1 million from such culprit as a bribe and set him or her free. So, we need to re-emphasize that even police officers who fail to act on such information need to be brought forward and be investigated. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, there is the issue of the proposed licence fees. As we all know, this country has always had everybody, everywhere charging a fee such that it makes business very difficult to operate and, consequently, discourage anybody who wants to come and do genuine business in scrap metal. My County of Nakuru passed through their Finance Bill. In order for you to get a licence to operate at whatever level – be it small-scale, middle-scale or large-scale – you are supposed to pay a licence fee of Kshs150,000. Of course, the National Government, again, will levy its fee. We need to look into ways of encouraging genuine investors who want to come and do business without putting a lot of hurdles."
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