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    "id": 471197,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/471197/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ochieng",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "David Ouma Ochieng'",
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    "content": "Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, we have an environmental tribunal and environmental council in this country, which is better placed to deal with this kind of this issue. So, the idea that every small problem can only be solved through these institutions in this country is wrong. We should try to look at the laws we have and try to see what can fit where so that we are able to do a law that can lead the people. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, with regard to licensing scrap metal dealers, I agree that they need to be licensed and regulated. But we are living in times when we have said that we want to delegate some things to be done by the counties. Most things are now being licensed at the counties. Small businesses are being licensed by the counties and such kind of things. Can we allow the counties to license scrap metal dealers? If you allow the counties to license scrap metal dealers, you would have sorted out the need of the council. You do not have to create a new body. We are allowing the counties to license any business people and my colleague who has just spoken - hon. Roba - knows this. That is because he worked at the Nairobi City Council. We have devolved so many things and one of them would have been done – and I hope hon. A. B. Duale is listening. We will allow the counties to license that because they know how best they will go about it. But if you have a single apex body, would you regulate how scrap metal trade is being done in Siaya County where I come from or in Kisumu County? These are matters that are better dealt with by the county governments. I would propose that licensing of scrap metal should not be done by a council, which I think is wrongly created here, but by the county governments. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I have just seen a section that says: - “A person shall not remove, deface or destroy any scrap metal from infrastructure.” This is a law that we already have. You just need to enforce it. Therefore, I will oppose this Bill. I will bring amendments to talk about what I think should be done and, hopefully, the Ministry of industrialization and Enterprise will bring a policy and a law that---"
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