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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ng’ongo",
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    "content": "their property would go to the victims to compensate them and so that this acts as a deterrent to people who would want to subject Kenyans to unnecessary torture and victimization. With regard to the calculation, under the Victim Protection Trust Fund, how much should go to the victims surcharge levy? I think we need to come up with a percentage so that we do not leave it to the Cabinet Secretary in charge of finance. If we leave it open, it may take years before it is spelt out and the victims will continue suffering and yet this is something that needs to be done. I am equally concerned about the membership of the board. I think the members required are about 13 and most of them are Principal Secretaries from various Government Ministries. Yes, it is good to have representation from Government Ministries, but I think we need to limit the number otherwise big boards end up becoming crowds. If you want to come up with clearer policies, you need a leaner and smaller board. When you have all these Principal Secretaries in the board and then you still require gender balance, it may be very difficult because sometimes you may have all Principal Secretaries from one gender. We, therefore, need to look into this issue once more, refine it and reduce the membership of the board. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, finally, I think as a country we need to look at the victims and it is good that hon. Millie has classified or categorised the victims into the general victims and then the vulnerable ones. We have some people who cannot speak for themselves. We need to protect them even much more than those who are able to speak for themselves. This country has gone through difficult moments. All the way from 1992 there are victims of crimes which were perpetuated, supported and financed by individuals and yet you find we keep on referring to those as victims of the 1997 elections, victims of 2007 elections like the people who came and committed these crimes do not belong to this country."
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