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    "id": 474048,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. Kagwe",
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        "legal_name": "Mutahi Kagwe",
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    "content": "Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker. I also rise to support the Bill. In doing so, I also wish to bring up something that Sen. Kajwang also mentioned here. It is all very nice for us to say that we should spend 30 per cent or 40 per cent, but if you look at the Schedule of the expected expenditure on development, you will see that, for example, the Nyeri County is budgeted to spend 19 per cent of its resources for development. It is not out of choice that, that money has been put there, because I have looked at the figures. But, the question is, it is 40 per cent of what? It can be 40 per cent of Kshs100 or 40 per cent of Kshs2,000; et cetera . The reason why a county will budget 19 per cent and another 15 per cent is because of its expenditure base. We cannot escape from the reality of what we are taking over from the national Government. If you look at counties like Kisumu and Nakuru, you will find that inevitably, their expenditure on development is going to be lower, the reason being that they are carrying a lot of expenditure on human resources. Most of those people are actually people who used to work for the provincial administration and, now, as we sit here today, those people are still in those offices. You all heard about the rationalization that is supposed to be taking place by the Cabinet Secretary (CS) for Devolution and Planning. Those of us who had provincial staff are really looking forward to seeing how that is going to be done and, indeed, whether it can be done in a very short time. The reason for rationalization is not just to do with the numbers per se but also the quality of the people who are being taken over by the county governments. In fact, on the outset of devolution, what happened is that a lot of national Government staff who had discipline cases were sent as seconded personnel to the county governments."
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