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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Keynan",
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    "content": "Security will be deleted because this is already a substantive law that His Excellency the President assented to. That has already been addressed and therefore; it will not be an issue under this order. Secondly, in terms of the Order of Precedence, there will be some changes. One, you will realize that the issue of ambassadors and high commissioners was placed in a wrong place and that has already been taken care of. There was an issue where the High Court judges will be placed and that has already been addressed. There was the issue of the governors and hon. Members which has already been addressed. It is one of the issues that somebody has raised. I am sure once hon. Members get an opportunity to go through the amendments; there are rafts of amendments proposed by the relevant Committee. I am sure hon. Wahome is a Member of that Committee. Some of the issues which hon. Members have raised had already been taken care of, including the title. Therefore, the Bill will be called “The Order of Precedence and Titles Bill” which will address both issues. I am glad that, as a lawyer, you have already alluded to this point. The only thing that I was saying is that, at times, for those of us who have been here for quite some time, when you have a chair who understands the subject; it becomes so tempting for the chair to actually participate in the debate. That was the bit I was stopping you from addressing. But what you have raised makes a lot of sense and I am sure that will be taken care of. The other bit is the issue of where the Members of County Assemblies (MCAs) are. I want to say that the issue of MCAs has already been addressed here. We have two Houses and this is not a Bill that concerns the counties. That issue has already been addressed. If you look at Section 6(2), it says that anybody outside who has been listed and who uses the titles prescribed under this Act--- The MCAs will not be part of the individuals mentioned under this Act, after the passage of this Bill. It will be illegal for an MCA to call himself or herself an hon. Member or any other entity. Therefore, that has already been taken care of because I saw hon. Members wanted to know where that applies. Therefore, that has been taken care of and we do not need to bring an amendment to the Bill. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, generally, in any civilized democracy there are a number of sources of law. The first source of law is the Constitution. Anything that is not clear in the Constitution should be clear in the statutes. If something is not clearly spelt out in the statutes, you go to the subsidiary laws; and if something is not clear in the subsidiary laws, you go to traditions and customs. If it is not captured by customs and traditions, then you look at the precedent. If something is not clear, again you look at the Presidential Orders. Therefore, if this legislation is enacted, I can assure hon. Members--- Right now we have serious challenges."
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