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    "content": "and finally said: “It refers to a tortoise.” In all the contexts that this word has been used – and I have gone through every evidence very carefully – there is no time that it has been used to refer to any public. We are using the word “nguu” but we have to put it in a particular context that was used all the times. If you refer to the transcripts that have been mentioned, that were not validated or confirmed by a Kamba speaker, in a section where the Deputy Governor speaks about development in his country and makes reference to the non-Machakos people, there is no time in any of the evidence where he says “thesenguus.” In fact, his usage of the word “ nguu ” is so specific. If I am to refer to the first usage, in the evidence that came to us through social media, on Tuesday night, he says:- “I was threatened with death by someone calling himself Joseph Kyuma from Makueni County. He claimed to be an aid of nguu .” In that context, nguu cannot refer to the public or anybody else, but an individual or a specific person. When we go to evidence No.2, after he has been talking about the development that is needed and the way that the county should be run--- We have already said that in this country, we need to place the context of the Deputy Governors and the role that they are meant to play. If we leave them without a role, then it means that they will not be able to do anything. In that particular context, he refers to a specific scenario where he says:- “You cannot get an important tender before talking to the tortoise. Your children cannot be employed if you have not gone through the tortoise. The tortoise is the one who has brought all the problems in Machakos County.” To me, that refers to a very specific scenario and people. There are two things that apply to us. “There is a water project from Masinga to Kitui and when we say how we are supposed to move forward with the project, he destroys it.” It is not “they” or the public that is alluded to. It is very wrong for us to correlate and say that the word “ nguu” has been used to address the public, that now we have posters during public rallies. Indeed, in the evidence that we have of the one transcript is at one meeting at a church. There is no other reference that has been made to any other public rally, apart from maybe having spoken it in different contexts. We only have a transcript for one particular public rally, but cannot put two incidences together; one, of somebody saying “ nguu” and another of posters appearing, and conclude that there is causality. In politics, especially, if somebody wants to allude that I have done something, definitely, they will put those posters, because they know that it will then be used to refer to me. The third piece of evidence is in another transcript where he talks about development and he points out that: “I see a dangerous hole that is likely to hurt someone and I have decided that I would rather report it to you before danger strikes so that I do not get blamed by anybody any other time. I know you have heard me at different settings saying that a pool of water that has been infested by a tortoise never settles”. Mr. Speaker, Sir, by all these references made to nguu, it is within a particular context and referring to particular people and never did you find any evidence that it actually refers to a specific public. He talks of outsiders but there is no specific place where he refers to them directly as nguus. So, as we talk about nguu, we have to look at the content, the context, the correlation and be able in our mind to have no doubt that this The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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