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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Kajwang",
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        "legal_name": "Gerald Otieno Kajwang",
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    "content": "First of all, I must thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, and the Clerk of the Senate for extending my travel abroad this afternoon to tomorrow so that I could attend this sitting. It is important because if I did not, I would have been disturbed. I am not very intimately knowledgeable about the proceedings like those which were in the Committee. I have read it rather sketchily towards what I consider to have been the resolutions. Impeachment is a very, very serious matter. In fact, it is an offence greater than most of the crimes that we know. This is an offence that can make the whole United States of America remove their President whom they have elected by a majority from office. It is not a joke. In fact, this Constitution while referring to impeachment was very specific. Sen. (Dr.) Zani who has just spoken talked of the threshold which I believe is in the Constitution. In Article 181 which seems to have been referred to in the proceedings, the Constitution did not leave us in doubt as to what is the threshold. It said in Article 181 (1) (a) “Gross violation of this Constitution” and not just a violation of the Constitution because you can violate the Constitution. In fact, this Constitution seems to accept that you can actually violate the Constitution, but to bring you to impeachment, it must be gross. So, this must be a very serious matter. Then it also says that it must be a violation of any other law, although I think they made a mistake by saying that the real offence is gross violation of national cohesion. You cannot grossly violate an Act of Parliament; you can only violate a section of an Act of Parliament. You should have told us exactly what this Deputy Governor violated. If it is ethnic discrimination, you must give us evidence which supports the view that he actually committed what is called ethnic discrimination or is it like it is said in Section 6; harassment on the basis of ethnicity and then you give us evidence that supports the fact that the Deputy Governor actually harassed people on the basis of ethnicity or you come to hate speech and tell us that the Deputy Governor said “a” “b” “c” “d” which is hate speech. Hate speech is not against individuals. In fact, it is not an offence to hate you. What is an offence is to hate a community. You can even hate them but to speak with hatred against a certain community, that is what is covered here because it is likely to bring ethnic conflict. That is what we were dealing with when we wrote these things into law. When I listened to Sen. (Dr.) Zani saying that a nguu is mostly referred to as “he” rather than “they”, then I thought, then the Governor is the nguu . The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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