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    "id": 492614,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Mwamkale",
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        "legal_name": "William Kamoti Mwamkale",
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    "content": "the letter of the law. When the President got the summons, indeed, he had a choice. As has been demonstrated in this House, there were no good grounds for that Status Conference. The President had a choice to go or not. By the President agreeing to honour the summons he, indeed, was putting Kenya before his personal interests. I would like to depart from the view of the speakers who have said that the ICC case is an individual thing to the President. Far from it! If, for example, the President had decided not to go, we all know that a warrant of arrest would have been issued. We all know that, maybe, the ICC would have declared our President a fugitive. We have seen that happen in Sudan. All those things were in the hands of ICC. That is why we are saying that the President considered Kenyans. He put our interests before his individual interests. If the consequences for not appearing would have been effected, then it is Kenyans who would have suffered. Our President would not have been able to represent us in some international forums where good things are obtained for countries. I really support the President for that gesture. I personally do not believe that there was any reason to take our President to The Hague. That is because an accused person, as a matter of natural justice, has no responsibility to avail evidence to incriminate himself! What we are seeing in The Hague is that they wanted to tap some things from the President or, say, the accused person so that they could use the same to prosecute him. That should not happen here in Kenya or any other State. The rules of natural justice cut across the whole world. What is good for us is good for America and other countries which are signatory to the Rome Statute. I believe that, that is the last time we are seeing our President being dragged to ICC. As much as we are condemning the ICC, I support that it remains there. That is because you never know who will be the President of Kenya tomorrow. By the ICC being there, it is a safeguard against those who would do anything and everything to ascend to power. We should remain a signatory to the Rome Statute. Our leaders should be prosecuted only when there is evidence. Those fishing expeditions should not apply to us or our leaders. I support the President’s Speech."
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