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    "speaker_name": "Hon. A.B. Duale",
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    "content": "We tried one route, a route in the creation of the Committee on General Oversight as provided for in the Standing Orders, that Parliament can create committees because it is a function of Parliament. I want to tell Charles Nyachae that he can go to court but the sole function of creating committees is a prerogative of the National Assembly or the Senate. Secondly hon. Speaker, over a period of time, for the last 18 months, as a House we have been navigating on how best under a new presidential system of government the 349 hon. Members of this House can represent their people and carry out the oversight role. I want to thank the National Assembly, unlike other institutions of Government for showing that we can listen to divergent views from other people. We want to listen to divergent views; the most outrageous like the one from Charles Nyachae, if they have solid basis on the Constitution. I agree with you now that you have read your Communication based on the communication from the President. You have said that it will be a matter for the Committee that you chair, of Powers and Privileges to look at it. I want to tell my colleagues that we have not lost anything because each and every hon. Member of this House who is a Committee Member, a Chair or a Vice Chair is competent enough to interrogate those Cabinet Secretaries. So, whether you appear before the National Cohesion and Integration Committee led by hon. Sakaja or you appear before the Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Cooperative led by hon. Noor, the membership is up to the task. Hon. Speaker, I want to tell my colleagues that we have not lost anything. We still have Tuesday morning where questions will be circulated in three Committees. Members who do not belong to those Committees have the right to go and sit and ask questions. I want to tell those who believe in proper separation of power to go further and implement proper separation of power to ensure that no hon. Member of this House can walk to a Cabinet Secretary and be given a chance to go outside the country using resources given by that Ministry. Any correspondence between the Executive and the Legislature must come to the hon. Speaker. When this House appropriates Budget, it does so to four organs; Parliament, that is National Assembly and Senate, Executive, Judiciary and County Government under Division of Revenue Bill. When the Executive uses money appropriated to it to sponsor hon. Members of Parliament for a trip, then the question is; where is the Auditor General? All foreign trips of hon. Members of Parliament are appropriated within the budget of the Legislature. The Chair of Public Accounts Committee - I want the hon. Speaker to listen to that - you must implement the separation of powers. Hon. Members of Parliament cannot have it both ways. You cannot wine and dine in the evening with the Executive and during the day you want to come and play your oversight role. We are either together or The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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