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    "speaker_name": "Sen. G.G. Kariuki",
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        "legal_name": "Godfrey Gitahi Kariuki",
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    "content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you very much. I want to start where a few other Senators have left, starting from what Sen. Kagwe, also the professor here and also my friend over there, so eloquently spoke. It is very important that this matter should not have been a matter to sit in a hall somewhere and decide a very serious matter like this one to be presented to the Senate assuming that the Senate will just rubber stamp whatever is being said. That is where we go wrong. There was no consultation. If there was, I am sure people with a wealth of experience like Sen. (Prof.) Anyang’-Nyong’o, our Speaker over there, Sen. (Dr.) Machage and a few others, ought to have been consulted to give advice. It is not just because one has become a lawyer that he has, therefore, acquired all the experience that is required under the sun. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I think we are suffering from mistakes of our own. How did we get into this mistake of our own? It is because when we came as Senators here with the new dispensation, politics of the new dispensation arose. These politics will not be solved through confrontation. If you look at this committee, what are they expected to do? Is it to change the mentality of judges or the Judiciary? Is it to change the mentalities of the people in high offices who are not supporting the Senate? Is it going to give some life to the Senate? This is a practice I have seen. We must separate issues. When we are discussing economic issues, we can get people who are qualified to discuss the economy of this nation and even internationally. They are here with us. If we are talking about the legal aspects, then we have very many lawyers here. The list you are seeing here is composed of lawyers. Out of 13 Members, it is only three who are not lawyers. We need to understand how much a lawyer is expected to do and how much a politician is expected to do. Is this war legal or political? I would like to submit that these are not legal problems, but political. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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