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    "id": 497841,
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    "speaker_name": "October 28, 2014 SENATE DEBATES 40 Sen. Lesuuda",
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    "content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I rise to oppose this Motion. I want to pick from where Sen. Martha Wangari left. As we oppose this Motion, we are not refusing the spirit of this Motion. It is something that we have discussed in this Chambers. As it has been clearly stated, we have discussed this at the kamukunji level. I am also aware and we are all aware that it is something that has been deliberated on even informally, led by our own Speaker and also some of the Members who are in this Ad Hoc Committee led by Sen. Amos Wako. He has continuously given us briefs of what has transpired. We also know that the Mover of this Motion, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. has been doing a lot on the background, with many of the Members who are in this Ad Hoc Committee. We also agree that as an institution and as the Senate, a lot is at stake. We agree that from the first day when we started the impeachment process, we saw the role that the Judiciary played to curtail the function and the duty of this House. We have continued to see it, and the number of injunctions and the cases as well. So, it should not be misconstrued that any Member of this Chamber who is opposing the formation of this Ad Hoc Committee is not alive to the magnitude of the challenges that we are facing as an institution or as the Senate. We are saying that at the committee levels that we already have in this House, it is possible to reach a consensus and a solution with the other arms of the Government. Secondly, it is important to note that this requires more of an engagement and dialogue, we need to sit down. It is more of an engagement between this House and other arms of the Government that we do not look like we are antagonistic, we are forming the best. With all due respect, these are some of the best brains that we have here in terms of law as well, leading from the Chairperson. However, we also have to explore the soft power which we have in this House. I know that the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights also can and should probably, that is what Sen. Mutahi Kagwe was saying that we have two or three Members whose business is to lead this issue from the front. Every other time that is what they are thinking about, they are bringing ideas even to the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights on how to resolve some of these issues. Mr. Temporary Speaker Sir, we will continue to talk in this House. We are talking about the Judiciary every day, at committee level, at political rallies and at the kamukunji level, we are talking about other arms of government. By now, the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights should have started taking action and steps and leading from the front as well apart from us now saying “Let us start fresh and let us have an Ad Hoc Committee to solve some of these problems that we are facing”. I would like to echo the sentiments of my colleagues who have opposed this Ad Hoc Committee and say that let us have the existing committees. Even all the Members of this Senate should continue to give their input, support and ideas of how best we can resolve the issues that are facing this House. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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