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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Kembi-Gitura",
    "speaker_title": "The Deputy Speaker",
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        "legal_name": "James Kembi Gitura",
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    "content": " Well, that would help. Let me say this because as you say, we must move forward on this issue. Sen. (Dr.) Machage, it is not fair to say that people are being stopped from asking questions. I think that is unparliamentary and unfortunate because nobody is being stopped from raising any issues. Nobody is trying to make any less important the issue being raised by Sen. Ndiema. However, it is a question of specifics even without making a ruling. Page nine of this report says:- “Phase II comprises of 18 public utilities and 1,663 plots which were allocated to local communities as follow:- Pokots, 600; Luhyas, 452; Turkanas, 226; Sabaots, 202; Others, 183.” Page eight says:- “Phase I, Pokots, 569; Sabaots, 550; Others, Marakwets, Turkanas and Nandis, 40” I am quite willing to send this matter back to the committee so that they can then specify what exactly it is that you want. What does not appear quite right is that all of you are Members of the same committee. I would like to understand whether you want, in case of say of Luhyas, to be told, for example, where the Luhyas are from. In the case of the Turkanas and Pokots, you want to be told exactly where they are from. We cannot go on like this on this issue; it has to come to a close. The report has been tabled and Sen. Ndiema wants to know where everybody comes from. I do not know whether or not this is possible. But it is only you in the committee who can tell us. I do not know the import of that request, but like Sen. (Dr.) Machage says, although he blames people of stifling others, it is imperative that this is clear because it has to do with the issue of land. However, the point I making is that we cannot continue on points of order on this issue. When the points of order come from the same committee then it means that this report is either not agreed on or something is not correct about the report. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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