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    "content": "positions and other associated feelings. We are left with no choice, but to believe that as a matter of fact, someone somewhere wants to sabotage the Uhuru administration. Think about the process that these Bills went through before they were signed. The National Assembly debated these Bills. Somebody from the National Assembly, may be the Speaker or the Clerk of the National Assembly, took the Bills on a Saturday morning or whatever day, directly to State House without any reference to somebody called the Attorney-General. Mr. Speaker, Sir, when I served as a Cabinet Minister, hon. Mwai Kibaki, the former President of this country, would not have agreed to sign a document connected with ICT matters unless he checked to see that according to his own Ministers the correct position of the Government had been considered. That is what happens in Government. So, when somebody decides, on a Saturday morning that they will ignore the man responsible for advising the President in terms of law; the Attorney-General of the Republic of Kenya, that is not good. At one point right here, he said that as a matter of fact there are many Bills that have been signed which he knows nothing about. Therefore, it is good to put authority and blame squarely where it belongs rather than calling a spade a big spoon. After that, there is somebody in State House who was given that Bill and told that it was brought for the signature of the President. Whoever that was, should have had the wisdom to know that the President should not have been given the Bill until and unless there is a certificate from the Attorney-General showing that he has checked it and that both Speakers of the House have agreed on the way it should be. Mr. Speaker, Sir, when you think about this you will see that there are mistakes that have been made. However, the worst mistake that has happened is the exhibition of immaturity of debates. We are struggling with this situation within some Members of the National Assembly. When a mature individual stands on the Floor of the National Assembly and says that it is time to think on whether, indeed, we should have a Senate or not, not only is this an exhibition of serious ignorance, but a personification of ignorance. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we should never get into that situation ourselves. We do not want a tit for tat situation in such a serious debate. If we take that direction, we will have someone in the Senate asking why we have very many Members of the National Assembly. As a matter of fact, if we changed this Constitution, the 47 Senators would be enough to make laws for Kenya. We do not need 400 plus people to determine issues. That is what somebody will say in this House. We recognise the importance of the National Assembly. Equally, members of the National Assembly should recognise the importance of the Senate. The Senate is not here by the good of men. The Senate is not here out of the generosity of the National Assembly or any other institution, for that matter. The Senate is here by the determination of the Kenyan people. Let us not forget that, that is the actual position lest we go on the defense. There is no reason or excuse for this House to be on the defence. Who are we defending ourselves against? If we go on the defence and appear as if somebody will The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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