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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Kaluma",
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        "legal_name": "George Peter Opondo Kaluma",
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    "content": "34 Tuesday 18th November, 2014 particular facilities if he is drained of them? Really, how will the holding institutions, be they remand or prisons, know the type of food this person should be eating in the current case where people are just taken in and you are treated as a nobody outside there? However let me say this: There is too much crowding in our penal institutions. I wanted to request all of us to remember that really we are removing our philosophy on penology or punishment from retribution to reform. When you go to our prisons around, and I am not blaming Parliament for this because we have a law entitling everybody to bail; in fact, we have created community service order for petty offences. Let people work from outside. However, when you go to our prisons across the country, they are so crowded. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, but when you go to our prisons across the country, what you do not know is that they are so crowded that if you are men, you are told to sleep on your ribs facing one side. You take a line packed there - Hon. Johana Ngeno will tell you. You are required to sleep that tight that you cannot turn. Then an officer walks on the corridors somewhere shouting “now it is time to turn” and you all turn. Situations of overcrowding of such a nature result in crime within our holding institutions; including sodomy. I have interacted with people who tell you “I was sent to remand once and I was badly sodomized.” Of course, some of them do not just end at sodomy or those other moral wrongs. Others leave there with venereal diseases, sexually transmitted diseases and killer ailments like HIV/AIDS. This is a person being endangered to that extent for merely being a suspect. It does happen frequently that we reach situations where such people are acquitted in the end but in the long run because you are subjected to the criminal process; you are already sodomized and have contracted HIV/AIDS. Despite your being acquitted, you have a death penalty arising from that due process you are subjected to. So, what am I saying? I wanted to request colleagues in Parliament; let us remember that today we may be debating it thinking you may not end up there. I am one leader who has been remanded at some point in time because I was fighting people who never believed some Kenyans have rights. In a short time you are in remand, I said if I had a surgical blade, I would have killed myself. So, I am saying that it is good to search but let us maintain and retain the dignity of people and their rights as human beings. Let us only withdraw from them their liberty or freedom of movement even as we go through the trial process. We will be proposing amendments but for now, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I support. Thank you."
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