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    "speaker_name": "Eng. Gumbo",
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    "content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, then Article 6 of the Forth Schedule, I want to encourage the Minister, through the Chair, to be courageous here. It says:- âA member or an employee shall conduct their private affairs in a manner that maintains public confidence in the integrity of their office and the Commission as a whole and shall (d) not engage in political activity that may compromise or be seen to compromise the neutrality of their office, or the Commission; and---â Madam, Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, suppose they engage in political activity, what is the penalty? Why are we shy about stating the penalty because you are telling them not to engage in political activity? What happens if they engage? So, these are the areas that we need to look into. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I note and Members are concerned that--- I think it will be practical to go that way. We should use appropriate technology in the forthcoming elections. I think we need to distinguish two areas here. In my view, from what the Minister stated and what we know, it will be impossible to conduct the next general elections in the traditional way. But I plead with my fellow citizens not confuse appropriate technology with electronic voting. When it comes to electronic voting, I want to request the Minister, through the Chair--- Let us tread very, very carefully. Why do I say this? Machines, anywhere in the world, do not have any integrity. What machines have is donated integrity by individuals. That means that if I go to operate the machine and I am prejudiced not to let the hon. Mutula Kilonzo be elected, I can program the machine to make sure that he is not elected. Whether we like it or not, greed, personal prejudices and occasionally malice, will find their way into machines. My view is that if we have individuals who are committed to democracy and integrity, even queue voting can give us very respected leaders. But if we do not have them, then it is not possible. Look at the elections in 2002 and 2007. What was the difference? The same machines were used. Almost the same individuals were there. But why did we have more credible elections in 2002 and not 2007? In my view, the only difference in 2007 as opposed to 2002 was that in 2007, greed, selfishness and determination by some individuals - not all of them - to tilt the results in a particular way led us to where we are. So, we have to be extremely careful. We do not have to look far. Look at the 2000 American elections. We saw situations where computers lost votes. Some added votes, some subtracted votes. In fact, in one county in Florida, Albert Gore who was then challenging George Bush, was given negative 16,000 votes by machines. Three years later, in a county with 50,000 voters in America, the machines tallied 140,000 votes in municipal elections. It is such instances that have made some people to believe and say that in modern times, the greatest threat to democracy can actually be technology and prejudiced human beings. So, we need to be extremely careful because when we go to vote, the intent of the voters is important but can machines do it? So, I urge caution. I am somebody with the technology background and I respect technology but I urge caution. At this point, we need to ask ourselves why it is that up to now, less than 20 countries in the world have attempted to use electronic voting. I will give you the scenario as it existed as at January last year. By January last year, the only countries which had legally binding electronic voting systems were Australia, Brazil, Canada, France, India, Japan, Kazakhstan, Peru, Russia, United States of America (USA), United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. Those are twelve countries. The only countries with legally binding internet voting was Austria, Australia, Canada, Estonia, France, Japan and Switzerland. Trials are going on in other countries. In some leading democracies, and this is notable, e-voting projects were actually abandoned. These include; Germany, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium and United Kingdom (UK). United Kingdom as we speak does not do electronic voting. So, we have to be very careful. Let us not just rush into this thing. As far as I am concerned, there are too many prejudices in this country. There are too many personal considerations in this country. We think too much about tribe. We have not learnt to accept that going for an election means two things; you can win or lose. Until we accept that, I would caution the Minister that we should be extremely careful."
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