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    "id": 510425,
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    "speaker_name": "Hon. (Prof.) Nyikal",
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        "legal_name": "James Nyikal",
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    "content": "an important tool and I accept the Committee’s recommendation. However, we must make sure, particularly at the counties, that officers are conversant with this. Apart from delaying processes, it can also be a major source of loss if officers cannot operate the system properly. It is a good system but I am more worried now when it is being introduced at the counties. So, we really must go ahead and do something about it. On the issue of E-payment, I want to say something about it. Again, this is a progress that, as a country, we must get involved in. We must undertake and do E-payment but there is a problem with E-payment in our system. Currently, the E-payments are done through the Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) or whatever branch it is but the suppliers are at a risk because once the E- payment has been done, they cannot follow through because they do not get any paper evidence. In the counties, for example, where most of the small businessmen may not have computer systems, it is virtually impossible. They go to the counties and they are told that their money is already in the bank or it is at the CBK. From the CBK, it goes to the suppliers’ bank. Many of the suppliers cannot get to the CBK and confirm that their money has been paid through E- payment. So, the movement between the paying points to the CBK and from the CBK to the supplier provides a loophole where suppliers can be defrauded a lot. It is very important that we look at that. Let me say something about the Appropriations-in-Aid (A-in-A). I think the Committee picked it right. There are two issues about A-in-A that we must look at. In cases where departments are raising funds----"
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