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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ng’ongo",
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        "legal_name": "John Mbadi Ng'ong'o",
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    "content": "An upper house that would make people believe that it is a college and the other house is a secondary school. By the way, I do not want to be referred to as a person in college because it is long since I left college. I do not want to go there easily, in fact, right now, if I have to go to a college. I want to do it through correspondence. That is why I have not done my PhD. Going back to college, to me, is an insult. I am now a mzee. In fact, my children are going to college. How do you want me to go there again? So, Kenyans must decide. Finally, on the Senate and the National Assembly, we are tired of the war. Hon. Speaker, communicate with your colleague in the Senate. If there is a Bill that is being introduced here, communicate the two of you and determine whether it is a Bill concerning counties or not, so that this country can move forward. But there is something that I wanted to mention generally with regard to behaviour of committees in this House. You know, I sit in the Public Accounts Committee (PAC). When these issues and complaints about allegations on bribery came up, actually, I was the first one to say that this committee must be dissolved. At that time, I was misunderstood. When I was calling for the dissolution of PAC, I was not targeting an individual. In fact, I did not have the Chairman in my mind because no one brought any substantive evidence. I do not want to discuss that - I do not know whether it has been take to the Powers and Privileges Committee - but what I meant is that Committees of Parliament are supposed to play oversight role. The moment allegations - serious ones like taking bribes - are levelled against a committee, the best thing to do is to have that committee dissolved, disbanded and reconstituted. Hon. Speaker, we cannot pretend. I see Members of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Co-operatives wasting time trying to defend themselves. You will not defend yourself. Some of your Members have already accused you of taking money. They have even mentioned an amount of Kshs60 million. Why can they not say: “Mbadi has taken”, if it is just rumours? So, if some Members of your Committee have spoken, the best thing to do is to dissolve the committees that have been adversely mentioned. Let the Coalition for Reform and Democracy (CORD) and Jubilee Alliance withdraw its Members from the Departmental Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Co-operatives. Let us reconstitute these committees to bring back the good image of this The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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