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    "id": 516213,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. (Ms.) Otucho",
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        "legal_name": "Mary Emaase Otuch",
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    "content": "Thank you, hon. Speaker. The hon. Member has just alleged that public hearing is not a programme. I know there are accountants in this House just like myself. You must make a provision for every expenditure that you intend to undertake. The stage at which we are at the moment is the policy direction. We are simply trying to anchor our intentions in the policy at the policy stage. To say that public budget hearings are not programmes is wrong in the sense that, by the time the Budget estimates are drafted, the Budget and Appropriations Committee will be seized of the public hearings. The projects that we intend to undertake are already known. They will be appearing in the Budget estimates as specific programmes with defined outputs. So, alleging that it is not a programme is wrong in itself. What I want to say as to the amendments proposed by hon. (Eng.) Gumbo is that he will have to explain or interpret to us the meaning or the import of Article 221(5). Why should we be told that the recommendations of the public should not be incorporated in the budget statements? The Budget and Appropriations Committee must be seen to have done something about the views of the public. Hon. Members, we are forgetting too fast. This House has been called and branded names from pigs to anything. When we begin talking of taking another Kshs3billion and adding it to the CDF, then we are not being realistic and honest with ourselves. Yes, let the money be appropriated by the Ministry to the budget hearing projects. That is my contribution. Thank you."
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