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    "id": 518882,
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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Manje",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Joseph Wathigo Manje",
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    "content": "Thank you, hon. Speaker for giving me this chance to air my views. I know that corruption is a major issue in this country, either real or perceived. I am a Member of this PAC and the Leader of the Majority Party has said that everybody in the Committee is perceived to be corrupt. It is only about four to six Members who were mentioned when they were trying to discuss among themselves about who is corrupt and who is not. We do not have very clear dispute resolution mechanisms in these Committees. When the Motion of no confidence with the Chair was called, we solved that problem because the Motion was defeated. According to us as PAC we should have continued with the same because that is the best way that we found it. This is because it is a bit difficult at this stage to prove whether corruption took place, whether it is real or perceived. There is nobody who can come and say: “We gave money to this individual”. When we tried to discuss as a Committee in that meeting, we realized that we were moving towards a certain direction. There was a deliberate move to remove the Chair and maybe that is why the issue of vote of no confidence to the whole Committee has come about. If these Members are removed, they will be taken to other Committees. Do you want to say that other Committees are less responsible to entertain corrupt people in their Committees? I think we have to go an extra step and ask ourselves these questions. The contention is that the Chair was given some loot and instead of sharing with the Members, he ate alone. So, do we need a Chair who will be given and share with other Members to corrupt them or a Chair who will be given and eat alone and not corrupt the others? We feel offended if somebody took a share somewhere on our behalf and we are all termed corrupt. If an Accounting Officer is given money to share somewhere to alter the report, he should know that he will give the money and there will be no alteration that will take place. That is one way of killing corruption. I am very happy that despite the fact that they gave whatever they gave, we did not change the resolutions of the Committee and I stand by that as a Member of that Committee. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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