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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Gikaria",
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        "legal_name": "David Gikaria",
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    "content": "we amend our Standing Orders to allow a Joint Committee sitting between the National Assembly and the Senate? The third issue that came up is this: If we sit as a Joint Committee and we get to the point of voting, how do we conduct the voting? Assume that all the 29 Members of the Committee from the National Assembly are present and we know that the Senate has only seven Senators representing them in the Committee, how would the voting been done? I want to thank the two co-chairpersons for guiding the process. They convinced us that we do not need to vote, but what we need is a consensus in our deliberations. At some point, however, we will need to vote and so, we really need to think about that. There was also the issue of a petition which was brought by a Kenyan regarding the nominee. He had brought the petition just before the advertisement was put in the Press. The clerks said that they were going to talk to the petitioner to withdraw. We agreed as a Committee that we allow the petition to follow its due process. So, these were the issues that we were looking into. The other thing that we looked at was Article 232(g)(h) of the Constitution. It talks about merit and other forms of picking a nominee. This provision talks about promotion through merit and, therefore, the hierarchy of promotion should be followed. Assuming the nominee was a civilian, how would you carry out the process considering the hierarchy of promotion in the National Police Service? Remember that the President is not barred from picking a civilian. Regarding the nominee, I want to agree that the Committee looked into the Public Appointments (Parliamentary Approval) Act and particularly the sections which talked about the academic qualification, experience and integrity. We were just guided by those facts and we never dwelt on any other issue. We found that the nominee had met all the requirements under the Public Appointments (Parliamentary Approval) Act. That was our basis of approving him. During the vetting, he showed the requisite qualities of Inspector- General of Police. He showed that he is able to have real command over the police service. Questions were raised as to whether he will succeed or not. He told us that as an individual, he was unable to give that answer. He stated that he would need a lot of co- operation from all the stakeholders. He also told us that he knows that community policing is a key pillar in solving the many security problems that we have. He said that he will be involving the community in security issues. When the communities are involved at their level, then they can give solutions. This is a better move than using police force. Internationally, community policing is something that is of paramount importance in solving most of those security issues. From his own words, he said that he is going to follow the full process of the law. At some point, he was asked whether he was going to protect Members of Parliament from the recent issues that we have seen and he said very clearly that he is not going to favour anybody. All Kenyans are equal before the law. If a Member of Parliament is on the wrong, action will be taken. If the police officers use excessive force, he is going to take action. He was very categorical that he will protect the police servicemen and women. That was important because he did not just come to the Committee to please us by saying that he is--- He made it very clear that he is going to protect the servicemen and women under his command so that they can give out their best. That statement went down very well because once the servicemen and women are not protected, it becomes a problem for--- Basically, he is the right person for the job. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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