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    "content": "misused. There was somebody who tried to take advantage and tell us what he saw and heard. The President and the Deputy President have very competent lawyers and I saw them. Therefore, we do not need to take time defending them here. Whether you defend them here, it holds no water because the case is not in this Chamber or in Kenya. It is for the judges to decide what will happen. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, personally, I thought the judges had a problem amongst themselves because they were dealing with people they do not have any evidence against and, at the same time, they did not know what to do with the IDPS. Some of us are saying that people were corrupted but the judges have to decide what to do with a person they do not have evidence against and yet they do not want to release him. This is a very serious issue and it will be kept on record in international law. It would be interesting to see how these judges are going to behave because the prosecutor has no evidence. One lawyer was asked whether he had evidence that people were given money and he said that he did not have the evidence that they had or had not been given money. The country made a mistake by letting this case go to the Hague; we entered into the heart of neo-colonialism. The neo-colonialists want to develop international law as a result of this case. We are supporting imperialism without our knowledge, especially when we decided to send this case to The Hague. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I think that we should leave this matter to competent people who are doing this job willingly, because the President said here that this is not the time for anxiety. It is time to be proud of the democracy that we have built. You can understand because the Head of State, unlike 20 years ago, can just willingly board a plane and go to appear before a foreign court. I think we have achieved quite a lot. Personally, I believe in the rule of law and the only way we can achieve constitutionalism is when we have people of high authority, like the President who has accepted to follow the rule of law. We hope that, that rule of law which was followed – although it is from outside Kenya – even locally in Kenya here, we will all have to present ourselves to the law so that we can achieve constitutionalism which will be a big gift for this nation in the next many years to come. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I do not want to speak about what those who spoke before me said, like the Senate Minority Leader. We should also become serious when we are talking about a matter of this nature. Just because you are in the Opposition, it does not mean that you can speak outside the subject like that. I do not want to develop this line of thought because it may be assumed that I am questioning the Chair, but I believe that a majority of us have been talking outside the scope of this Motion all through. They have just secured an opportunity to say so many things. I believe in proposing solutions; I do not believe in making statements, as I said earlier in another forum. There is a time when hon. Shikuku, Mark Mwithaga, Mbogo and I, used to decide to speak the whole day from 2.30 p.m. to 6.30 p.m. We continued that way until everybody realized that we were just misusing the authority of the Members of The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate"
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