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    "speaker_name": "The Senate Majority Leader",
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        "legal_name": "Onesimus Kipchumba Murkomen",
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    "content": "(Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): Yes because I have seen some light. I wanted you to clarify. It is okay, I will manage. I just wanted clarification. You know, normally, I do not prolong things. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, once we establish the truth, we need to do justice. Justice does not mean locking up people. In fact, you achieve much more by taking measures that appear restorative but are even more punitive than taking people to prison. For example, you can bar people from participating in future elections or order them to pay compensation and reparation to their victims. These are measures that do not have very prison-like effects but they yield results. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, other than the issue of the Truth, Justice and Reconciliation Commission (TJRC), finally, there is the issue of corruption. I know that this is the matter that has taken a lot of interest, because as we sit here and pontificate, the annexure that was tabled to both Houses of Parliament contains names of people in the three arms of Government; the Executive, the Judiciary and the Legislature. It contains names of people in the two levels of Government; national Government and county governments. Allow me to say a few legal issues about that report. First, the President has shown Kenyans that he is willing to look even within his Executive in the fight against corruption and hold everybody individually accountable. This is because corruption is not a corporate crime but an individual crime. Secondly, the people whose names are in the report have been named as suspects. We must uphold the rule of law and ensure that those people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Thirdly, I have heard some people saying that this report should have come from the Commission and not the Chief Executive Officer. Given the paralysis in the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC), that report could have as well come The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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