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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ng’ongo",
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        "legal_name": "John Mbadi Ng'ong'o",
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    "content": "us to reproduce but it does not say how that reproduction should take place. Someone needs to point out to me where it says there must be some sexual intercourse for reproduction to take place. Even that is a scientific innovation and that innovation I am told took place around the Garden of Eden. These other innovations are just innovations as that early innovation. It is God who has given us the brain to come up with new innovations. Therefore, to use religion to fight something that its time has come, to me, is being fundamentalist. In fact, we have been complaining about certain people who are wrongly professing the Islamic faith because that is not what Islamic faith says; to kill other people. Equally for Christians if we misapply the Christian faith to stop people from reproducing, I think it is wrong. What is wrong with making choices on what you want to do? I want to talk about three issues with regard to this Bill. First, it must be acknowledged that it is not illegal. The IFV is not illegal. I think we should start with that principle, the way I understand it. What hon. Millie is seeking to do is to bring a regulatory framework where we strengthen the practice by the doctors who are already doing it anyway to do it in a legal framework that is regulated, that can be understood and that it is done in a proper way. I think that is what we are saying in a nutshell. We are not calling for any illegality to be legalized. Second, the Bill seeks to provide a legal framework that would handle certain societal concerns. I have seen people who are so retrogressive and backward and believe that if you adopt a child, the child is abused throughout its life. This is a child who was born properly; you have decided to adopt the child because you are not able to sire your biological child. You are taking care of that child and members of the society decide to condemn you together with the child. The child lives with stigma. We do not want the same to happen to children born out of IVF and, therefore, I support that aspect completely. This Bill is supposed to protect children born out of this IVF. What is so wrong? We have been setting up authorities to even look into issues of drug abuse. We have been setting up authorities to look into issues of other social concerns. Why would it be so bad to form an authority to regulate the process of human in-vitro fertilization? I support that. This, as I said, is going on in most of our major hospitals. If you visit the Nairobi Hospital, Aga Khan Hospital and Kenyatta National Hospital, in-vitro fertilization takes place. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, let us remove some fundamentalist ideas from the debate in this Bill. I know and respect the Christian faith. In fact, I was shocked that the Vice-Chair is opposing this Bill. The Committee is opposing the Bill; that is what I heard."
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