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    "id": 555199,
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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ogolla",
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        "legal_name": "Gideon Ochanda Ogolla",
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    "content": "The Bill is looking into many other aspects in terms of conservation. It is looking at many other aspects in terms of licensing, registration and regulation of services in terms of how we have to deal with the sector. This is encouraging. One thing that the Bill has also looked at, which is encouraging, is that it recognizes that we have adopted different methodologies of fishing. We are no longer in the traditional way of looking at things. We are talking about aquaculture. We are also talking about the whole issue of conflict, particularly in the fishing areas where one is using a different type of fishing method and another one is using a different type of fishing method, and then they have conflict. At the moment, for example, I have a big problem in my constituency where there are those who are using hook-lines and there are those using what we call “ tembea” which is like a trawler in the real sense. The people who are use the trawler kind of a system, at the end of the day, run around and scoop all the lines of the others who are using the hook method. It is a big conflict in the lake and the Bill is addressing this kind of conflict, which is very positive. The only thing that I want to believe is going to be a big problem with this Bill is that it interfaces the national Government and the county government, particularly in the area of the fisheries. It is going to be a potential conflict which the Bill has not addressed very well. This must be looked at properly. If you look at Schedule IV, the whole issue of protection and development of natural resources is given to the national Government, but if you look at the actual service and fisheries, it is given to the counties. The Bill is proposing some element of interfacing where, if there is a conflict, it will state how the conflict is going to be handled. I think this is one area that must be looked at afresh. I want to believe that the Committee plus some of us who are in this sector, must look at this very carefully, otherwise it is going to be a potential area of conflict, including, as usual going to court. Counties, many times are happier going to court. This is one area over which they can easily go to court, if we do not handle it very well. In my county, the biggest source of local revenue to the county government is fisheries. When we look at the idea that they are going to be charged levies by the Kenya Fisheries Service, we definitely see that it is going to be a potential area of conflict and counties might not accept the arrangement. In my view, we have to look at this issue seriously. The other thing that the Bill has brought, that is going to be a bit of a problem, is that the authority and the entities that it has created have been given conflicting functions. We are talking about a board, a service and an authority. At the end of the day, there will be some elements of placement of functions that are conflicting. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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