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    "speaker_name": "Hon. King’ola",
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        "legal_name": "Patrick Makau King'ola",
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    "content": "I want to be categorical and state that when we went through documents none of the claimants of that piece of land was sure of their documents. When you go back to the statements and confessions by Da Gama Rose, having been a director of Barclays Bank, clearly, there was a conflict of interest in him buying the piece of land. After he left, other players came to claim the same piece of land. Even as a Committee, after going through the documents and visiting the site, issues arose. I can confirm to this House that the Ministry of Lands, Housing and Urban Development, the National Land Commission (NLC), the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) and the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) are not sure of what they are investigating. That is why I am saying if this House wants to get quality reports by the relevant committees, we need to empower the committees through budgetary allocations, so that we can have complete investigations. The outcome of the Karen quagmire puts the country in disarray in terms of collaterals. Today, there is nobody who would want to accept title deeds as security, because as Members are saying, you might find one parcel of land having about three to four title deeds. So, there is fear in advancing loans to Kenyans against title deeds as security. As one Member said, I also have a feeling that this land should be made a national asset. We will go round in circles without resolving the issue. As each claimant disappears, we should now, as a Committee, come up with a solution. I do not think even the CID will give us a solution. We should go back, find a solution and say this land should be surrendered to the Government. It is only then that we will have a way forward. When we go to the Ministry of Lands, Housing and Urban Development there are no records. When we ask the NLC, they say they have been denied the records by the Ministry. So, how will the CID get the records if, as a Committee, we could not get them? We need to go back as a Committee and come up with a final verdict on this matter. With those few remarks, I support the Report."
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