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    "id": 558670,
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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Kiaraho",
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        "legal_name": "David Njuguna Kiaraho",
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    "content": "(CS) at that time, Ms. Charity Ngilu, could have been guilty of obstruction of justice simply because her officers came to the Committee and seemed as if they were holding onto some information. We cannot come up with such a conclusion simply because even the Committees I serve summon some of these people and in most cases they feel very intimidated, which is okay and in order. However, what the Vice-Chair did was wrong. I am sorry to say that. He stood here and implied that the CS could have been guilty of such an offence. That was wrong and that way we will be dwelling on an issue in a very unfair manner. At the same time, another issue I am really concerned about is the history of this piece of land. We know that in Nairobi people pay rates for every piece of land. If at all there was a transaction and someone purchased this land, I know they must have gone through some banks. My big question is: Are these records there? If someone went to City Hall today, will they find all the records for all the way from 1926? For all these years, we cannot say that no one has been paying rates for this piece of land. I believe that this Committee should go a little bit deeper. I hope that the bodies which are going to be given this responsibility to go into details as far as this case is concerned will be fair. The worst thing would be to have a situation where people are already convinced that this is the way forward, and that this and that person is guilty of such an offence. If we have a fair and well-balanced system then we, as Members of Parliament and the general public, will be satisfied. If the worse comes to the worst, we can even get some bodies which are totally independent, if we feel that there are some areas on which people have the perception that this is the way they are going forward. With those few remarks, I support. I emphasise the recommendation by the Committee for a detailed forensic audit."
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