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    "id": 567508,
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    "speaker_name": "Hon. (Eng.) Gumbo",
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        "legal_name": "Nicholas Gumbo",
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    "content": "I think we should be bold not to put these people on a part time basis but reduce their number accordingly. It is time that we conducted a detailed audit to confirm if we are, indeed, getting value for money for all the commissioners we have in these commissions. My view is that we could be over populating commissions with people who are badly under worked but over paid. The idea of introducing Clause 4(10)(1) of filling vacancy may be good to the extent that within 21 days following the occurrence of the event giving rise to the vacancy, the President shall constitute a selection panel . However, as we make laws, we should conform to uniform standards. This is because the idea of selection panels was killed when we brought it in the Public Audit Act. Under the new Sub-Clause 10(2), I would be proposing an amendment so that the selection panel, as they shortlist the candidate take into account the provisions of Article 232 of the constitution. Having said all these, I am very concerned as my good friend Hon. Kaluma has said. Is it really laws that we need to fight corruption in Kenya? It has been said before that sometimes having too many laws in a society may be nothing more than a manifestation of perversity of nobility. Some of the least corrupt countries in the world do not even have laws that are dedicated to corruption. Corruption in Kenya will be fought and won through the reassessment of our value systems as a society, and more importantly through the collective determination of Kenyans to fight the vice. Yesterday, I heard some suggestions that we should nominate commissioners from the church or religious groups. Which religious groups are we talking about? This is the same country which has the Pastor Kanyari types that we have witnessed before. Are those the kind of people that we are talking about? Are those the kind of people we are talking about? I am also hesitant because it is claimed that Kenya is 80 per cent Christian. If corruption is so pervasive in our country then there is a problem with our churches. When we say that we are going to look into the churches and mosques to get commissioners then I think there is a problem. Even as we increase the number of these commissioners, let us insulate them from the politics in the fight against corruption. I was very saddened to see a governor saying that the reason he had been hauled to the EACC was because of differences that he had with a senior politician in the country. If we are going to allow politics to interfere with the fight against corruption then we cannot go far. This is good. Ultimately, we will win the war against corruption if we find it in our hearts to consider corruption to be a very bad thing and agree that by limiting corruption, the benefits will be shared by all the people of Kenya. To that extent and with the amendments I will propose, I wish to reluctantly support the Bill."
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