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    "id": 568535,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Kipyegon",
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        "legal_name": "Johana Ngeno Kipyegon",
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    "content": "I think that was with a light touch. I hope he knows how to do it. I never meant to say that the President or even you, Hon. Speaker, are corrupt. There is a way corruption has been entrenched in this country; even the system that is put in place to fight it is just doing it ceremoniously. I remember when the President came here with a list of 175 people, the whole world thought that Kenya had come back on track. I believe the President did that in good faith. However, the problem is that later on, the list was fought and watered down. I do not even remember where that list is as I speak. People have been taken to court and have been cleared. Some of them, like my colleague claimed here, were summoned to the EACC but were accompanied by Isukuti dancers. Those same people knew that the person they were accompanying was a thief. But because they had been promised that they would eat from the same pot, they did not even understand that the money this person had stolen was theirs. People in this country praise thieves. When somebody steals and goes back to his people, he or she dishes around some money and people forget that this person is a thief. It is time we looked at ourselves as members of this country. It is us who will kill corruption in this country. It is us who will make this EACC work. The reason I want to support this amendment and we have at least five commissioners is because when you look at other commissions like the Commission for the Implementation of the Constitution (CIC), the Salaries and Remuneration Commission (SRC) and Public Service Commission (PSC), they are not so serious. This is the most powerful commission because of the matters it handles. These are people who arrest and put people behind bars, especially those who have stolen billions and trillions of money. These people are gangsters and Mafia. These are people who can even kill you. I was wondering why we only had three commissioners. Suppose two of them were held hostage? The whole commission would die. I support that we should have five commissioners because in the event of manipulation, one cannot manipulate all the five commissioners. In the event that somebody tries to corrupt any of them, one cannot corrupt all of them. Do you remember how the three commissioners worked? They could not handle the cases The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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