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    "id": 568564,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/568564/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ochieng",
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    "speaker": {
        "id": 2955,
        "legal_name": "David Ouma Ochieng'",
        "slug": "david-ouma-ochieng"
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    "content": "Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I also seek to second this Bill. We started wrongly. We started by assuming that corruption could be fought using a commission. When we were doing the new Constitution, we thought that commissions would help heal all the ills in the country. That is why there are so many commissions whose value to date you can hardly quantify. That is why I agree with what Hon. Jakoyo said, that we need to look at the whole infrastructure for fighting corruption in this country, to see whether it suffices. I only disagree with him when he says that the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs did not address itself to this issue properly because he should know that for us to even restructure or remove this commission, we must go for a referendum and this country must decide whether we want to have a commission fighting corruption, or we want to have a leaner body with a different name, or you want to leave the position at what Hon. Amina suggested. You want to leave it with the Criminal Investigation Department (CID). We went wrong there. Secondly, we have gone wrong somewhere else. We believe that we only fight corruption when we arrest politicians. We now have five Cabinet Secretaries (CSs) being investigated. If you know why they are being investigated, I do not think this is the corruption we are talking about. Kamau has been taken to court over a contract worth Kshs30 million shillings. Hon. Ngilu is in court for abuse of office. Koskei is in court for leasing property worth Kshs20,000 somewhere in Limuru. This is useless. It is not what we are supposed to be doing as a country. That is why, as someone has said elsewhere, in fighting corruption, you must differentiate between economic corruption and political corruption. This country has been cheated for so long that when you arrest a politician and take him to court, you are fighting corruption. People who know what happens or how to rig tenders, are the junior clerks. Those are the guys we should be targeting. Those are the guys who know how the systems work, but Kenyans do not want to hear The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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