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    "id": 568566,
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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ochieng",
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        "legal_name": "David Ouma Ochieng'",
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    "content": "The reason Mr. Matemu was accepted here, I can say, was because at that time there was the Vice-President and the thing about tribes. It is wrong for us to have names here because they belong to certain tribes. In approving names of commissioners to the EACC, I want to request that we be above board. Let us have commissioners who will help us in the fight against corruption. It cannot be fashionable to just talk about corruption and anti-corruption and nothing is done; as a people and Parliament we need to ensure that we fight it. It is this Parliament that will show the way. I do not think the Executive has the capacity to show the way. As I switch off, let me say that one of the fundamental roles of the EACC is to ensure that we have education. The reason we cannot get good men and women to fight corruption in this country is because we do not have them. We do not have them because we do not start educating them early. We should inculcate education against corruption in our children from Class One. If we do not do that, we will not go far. You will get people from the streets tomorrow, but when they arrest one of your tribesperson, you will come here and remove them. It is about culture. Hon. Duale has said that we celebrate people who have stolen public property and we think it is right to do so. When I go home and I do not have money to give to my constituents, they laugh at me. They do not think I am doing the right thing. However, if I stole money in Nairobi and went to them, I would be the best man in town. Unless we address the culture of worshipping “big” money and people who have stolen public property, we will not go anywhere in the fight against corruption. I support this Bill. I want to propose that we stagger the terms of the commissioners. We did something wrong about all the commissions, including the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC). Some commissioners should serve for three years while others serve for four years so that they do not go home the same day. We must move some basic amendments to this Bill on matters of the secretariat. I am sure there are a few areas on the secretariat that we could consider to ensure we have some level of independence not just of the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) but even of the investigators. Unless we have legal instruments that cushion the investigators from interference from the secretariat, we will not go far. With those many remarks, I support this Bill and hope that based on what we have seen and heard, this time round the body we will put in place will help us go an extra mile. Hon. Speaker, thank you very much. I support."
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