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    "id": 576667,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/576667/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Chepkong’a",
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    "speaker": {
        "id": 1154,
        "legal_name": "Samuel Kiprono Chepkonga",
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    "content": "I thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. This sub-clause deals with criminal elements. We are dealing with a crime and not a civil matter. We should not confuse the two. The sub-clause talks about conviction, which means the offence is criminal and not civil. A civil matter is where you are sued but there is no fine. So, when you only prescribe a fine and exclude imprisonment, you are not giving the courts discretion. It is not a must that the courts imprison you. The courts can decide that, depending on the gravity of the offence, you pay the Kshs500,000 fine or Kshs20,000 or Kshs20,000. You give the discretion to the courts. However, this is a criminal matter and not a civil one."
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