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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. F.K. Wanyonyi",
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        "legal_name": "Ferdinard Kevin Wanyonyi",
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    "content": "Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for the opportunity. I am not a lawyer but I am a very practical person. I see problems in our country and, therefore, I support this Bill from my brother, Hon. Kaluma. When I voted for the Constitution, there were noises around. There were people who were saying that the Constitution that I voted for was not 100 per cent correct. Some elements or a portion of it, about 20 per cent, was not very good for our people. Therefore, in support of this Bill, I want to make it clear that all we want to do is to save separation of powers which most Members have said and that is the truth. As Parliament, we have issues that we discuss. The courts through some busybodies out there, some of them being civil societies which I respect, normally rush to court and are given an opportunity to interfere with whatever we discuss here. That has happened many times. This Bill has come at the right time so that we can see separation of power particularly the National Assembly, the Senate and the counties which have also had problems. I have noticed that in my county some busy body somewhere rushed to court and stopped debate thereby making things not to work. Therefore, I support this Bill. I know that we have a debate in this House where Members have said that we should have elections in December. We have supported that but somewhere you will find somebody rushing to court to stop the debate yet we have not completed debate. Because we are a law abiding House, you will find that we are not able to move. Let the courts respect the roles demanded of this House so that they come in only after we have finished debating. I am saying this because I know for sure that courts do not have supervisory powers over this House. They do not supervise this House. All I know is that the courts are supposed to interpret the deliberations and resolutions of this House. Therefore for them to interfere in the public eye, it appears that they have a supervisory role over this House. I have heard of cases out there where a member of the public asks you what the court has said about what you have just said. The impression given out there is that the courts supervise whatever we do here. Let the courts come in at the tail end of our discussions when we have passed a resolution in this House. Let them come in at the time of implementation to interpret. They should be there to interpret whatever has happened here other than claiming a supervisory role that does not appear in the Constitution. I support this Bill. I hope that our Whips will garner the two-thirds of Members to pass this law so that we have clear separation of power. The demarcation should be very clear to the courts, the members of the public and the busy bodies that normally come in and interfere with the operations here. Last but not least, I also want to talk about the issue alluded to by the Mover, Hon. Kaluma. Hon. Gor Sungu, a former Member of Parliament for Kisumu East, has had problems because of the interference of the courts. Where does the boundary of this Parliament end? We should be free to do things. I have been elected to represent my people. I was not elected to be interfered with. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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