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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Wakhungu",
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        "legal_name": "Chrisantus Wamalwa Wakhungu",
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    "content": "We recognize Article 195(3)(a) of the Constitution that deal with unlimited jurisdiction of the High Court on matters of civil or criminal in nature. We appreciate that, but we are saying that in this Bill let them come in at the tail end and not in the process. We are still doing the cooking and somebody is coming from outside saying: “Hey, do not do the cooking. Stop!” This is what we are talking about. The same way when a matter comes to this Parliament, we know the issue of sub judice . If a matter is active in court and you table evidence here to show that it is active, we do not handle it. It is the same when it comes to the High Court. If a matter on legislation is active on the Floor of the House, let that sub judice rule also apply to the High Court because this will be interfering with the work of the Members of Parliament. We are aware of somebody called “His Excellency Governor Wambora”. I recently watched him on TV in the presence of the Deputy President. He said this: “You will not take me anywhere. You tried to impeach me but you failed. The court has protected me.” This is the level of impunity that we do not want to hear. It has even made the Senate not to operate. We know very well that Article 125 of the Constitution says that Members of a parliamentary Committee can summon anybody anywhere for purposes of getting evidence. If the High Court is going to interfere with the process, then we will not legislate. I want to read something interesting. Article 94(5) says: “No person or body, other than parliament, has the power to make provision having the force of law in Kenya except under the authority conferred by this Constitution or by legislation.” We are trying to recognize the role of Parliament. The core business of Parliament is to legislate. If you have an issue with the law, please wait for the output and go to court for purposes of interpretation. I want to request Hon. Members to wake up and support this Bill because it is very critical. Without this Bill coming into place, I can assure you that our work will be impeded. We will not be able to complete this work. We all know about the issue of security laws. You understand the anarchy that was here. The laws were passed and then CORD went to court. In this case, they looked at the output. So, we want it to continue that way. However, the Wambora way of doing things and the impunity that we are trying to bring across, is what we are against. I want to thank Hon. Kaluma because this is a very wonderful Bill that is well thought out. I expect Hon. Members to support this for the process of defending and protecting the role of Parliament. I support. Thank you."
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