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    "speaker_name": "Hon. (Ms.) Kanyua",
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        "legal_name": "Priscilla Nyokabi Kanyua",
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    "content": "Hon. Speaker, I just want to raise three points. One, it is the special situation in which the Judiciary found itself. We had a situation in which the CJ and the Chief Registrar of the Judiciary (CRJ) were not speaking the same language. That CRJ is now out of office. I do not think in a situation such as what happened in that year, where the CJ and the CRJ were not on the talking terms, we can say that whatever the CRJ tells the Committee is enough. If the relationship between the CRJ and the CJ is not good on matters corruption, then I think the fair situation would have been to hear both of them. As far as possible, the CRJ and the CJ should be managing the affairs of the Judiciary in a way that one of them can represent the Judiciary in its entirety. However, on the situation in which we found ourselves that year, it would have been important for the Committee to hear the CJ as well. What the House is saying today is the sadness with which we confront this matter. In countries like Indonesia and Malaysia, which are doing very well in the fight against corruption, their conviction rates are 80 -100 per cent. In this country, our conviction rate is not even 10 per cent. The reason is simple. If we have a Judiciary that is corrupt, then it cannot enforce the rules of corruption against everybody else. We have a Judiciary that is allowing all the corrupt people to be acquitted. What we have as a country is corruption that seems to be a merry-go-round. I, therefore, agree with everybody else that we are going to fight corruption in the Legislature and in the Executive, but we will first and foremost fight corruption in the Judiciary. If we can clean that area, then everybody else is going to follow suit. For that purpose, if the Judiciary needs to be represented in the Committee, it will be important to give the CJ an opportunity to come to the Committee and give any information that he thinks is important."
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