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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Kembi-Gitura",
    "speaker_title": "The Deputy Speaker",
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        "legal_name": "James Kembi Gitura",
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    "content": " Hon. Senators, first, is on the issue that was raised by Sen. Hassan. You were here when the Senate Majority Leader read the business of the Senate for the week commencing on Tuesday, 24th November, 2015. Therefore, I cannot interrupt it from where I am sitting. I believe that if the RBC sits on Tuesday and makes a decision, the same shall be communicated to you. However, just because the National Assembly has adjourned for those two days does not set precedence for me to adjourn this House. On the issue raised by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale and reiterated by Sen. Kagwe and Sen. Orengo, I would agree that it is a much deeper situation and not a matter on which I can make a decision that we adjourn to discuss the leadership of the House partly because it is a very deep issue. If you want to discuss the leadership of the House, my advice is that you bring a substantive Motion. I am not in any way trying to lessen the importance of what you have said, but I am just trying to look for a proper way to deal with it because it is a very important issue. We have taken a position that we cannot vote unless there is a threshold. I do not think that is correct. This is because not having a threshold is also a way of voting. Maybe people are not here because they do not want to vote “yes”, “no” or “abstain”. I do not believe that the way to go is to keep rearranging the Order Paper and saying that we cannot vote. If a matter has to be voted, it is our duty to be here to debate and vote. These issues cannot be kept in abeyance forever. Time will come when we must vote and you might find that the threshold is not the determinant of the vote. What it means is that the Bill will be lost. That is a decision that has to be made. I agree with you that it is time to sit together whether in a Kamukunji, retreat or any other forum to discuss and find out why it is not possible to get threshold when we should have it to vote. Those are all important issues that have been raised. Personally, I would like to leave it at that for now, but there are many avenues that are open. However, the RBC knows it as well as I do that not having threshold is not a reason to say that there still be no vote taken. I believe that I have dealt with the issue that was raised by Sen. Wetangula. We said that we have to abide by the ruling of the Speaker which will be coming in due course and that will determine how we will proceed with Order No.8, of Tuesday this week that was deferred for the ruling to be made. Hon Members, I will now defer Order Nos. 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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