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    "id": 611822,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. (Eng.) Gumbo",
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        "legal_name": "Nicholas Gumbo",
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    "content": "Under Clause 40, we have restrictions with regard to auditing of national security organs. I think this expression of “national security organ” we use it, in my view, to spread unnecessary alarm. It is true that some but not all of the work that the national security organs undertake is confidential and borders on State security. But I think to make it so diverse is more or less trying to ring-fence the national security organs from scrutiny. When, for example, the National Intelligence Service (NIS) purchases toilet paper, what is the difference between that and what we do here when they purchase Bic pens? It is the same thing. They do many things. They construct houses and they do renovations. It is the same thing we do here. We cannot make it so restrictive. As I rush to conclude, I think clause 72 is rather vague because does it, for instance, include performance auditing for purposes of identifying efficient, effective and economic use of public resources? What would be wrong with that? Having said all that, as we get to the Committee stage, I will be looking to propose several amendments to this Bill which I will bring before the House."
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