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    "id": 616821,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/616821/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ng’ongo",
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    "speaker": {
        "id": 110,
        "legal_name": "John Mbadi Ng'ong'o",
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    "content": "progressive legislations have been misused in the past to hive off forests and give them to private individuals in this country. Karura, Ngong and Mau forests have been encroached by people who are entrusted with the responsibility of protecting them. The moment people see a loophole in legislation or in a statute, they will misuse it to the disadvantage of Kenyans and to the advantage of a few individuals. The moment you create a loophole in legislation or in a statute saying that the Cabinet Secretary has discretion--- By the way, even parliamentary approval is not required for this. What the Cabinet Secretary will do is to ask me to give out some land if they want me to benefit out of the forest land which may be considered more productive. They will take my otherwise not very good land for forest of the same size and give me forest land. Therefore, this particular provision needs to be looked into properly. Otherwise, I see possible abuse of this particular Clause once it becomes law. Hon. Deputy Speaker, there are individuals who have a passion for growing trees. There are people who have a passion for protecting forests. We need to offer specific compensation to such people in order to motivate them to plant more trees. There is need to look into how to involve the county governments in forest conservation. I know that forests are one of those natural resources that are provided for in the Constitution."
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